13 March 2015
Lately I’ve been thinking that I must have lived something of a privileged life. There are two major controversies going on about women and I have not experienced any of what so many are saying is happening. The first issue is a secular one - the pay that I’ve gotten has been the same as men in the same position and same time in service. The jobs were just that way. That is not the topic of this post.
The other issue is church related as you can tell from the title. There seems to be a rising wave of women and men in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, LDS, that think that women should be ordained into the priesthood. The main complaint seems to be that the women are not being treated equally nor are they being listened to because they do not have the priesthood. They seem to think that being ordained will solve those issues.
Wake up folks. Being ordained will not make any difference to the men who hold the priesthood in listening to women or in treating them equally. Women changing their ordination status will not change the men’s behavior. The only thing that will change the men’s behavior and attitude is educating them and the upcoming generation to the role of women in Our Heavenly Father’s plan as equals to men. The priesthood leaders do need to be told how things are perceived and felt by some women. Their eyes need to be opened to a different point of view. I do not believe that Church leaders have overlooked some aspects on purpose to keep women in a lesser position. I do believe that they just didn’t think about some things and continued doing them the same as always. I never noticed that women didn’t offer prayers during General Conference until it was pointed out to me. I figure that the general authorities for whom English is second language felt the same way about English only prayers during General Conference.
When local priesthood leaders are not listening to the women leaders, then those men need to have their eyes and ears opened. Pray for their eyes to be opened and their ears to hear. Tell them that you think and feel you are being ignored. If that doesn’t work, then there is a chain of command to work through complaints. Work that chain of command. Each and every woman that is not listened to needs to work that chain of command to bring attention to that chain of command that there is an issue with one or more men. Work it up as far as you have to. Pray at each step. Yes, it will take time and effort. Eventually you will be heard and changes will be made – hopefully both by your prayers and the mundane administrative process – to have a change of attitude in the current leaders or to have a new leader with a more open mind.
The LDS church is a bureaucracy. It takes time for things to work through the system. It takes time for things to change. Deal with it. Work the system. Flood the system with complaints. Don’t try to openly disrupt it. That only makes some dig in the heels that much more. Priesthood holders are men for the most part trying their best to do God’s work here on earth. Some are going to have ancient thoughts and behaviours. Some are going to be more open. It may be partly local culture. It may be partly old fashion ideas still running around. It may be old wives tales that are still mistakenly believed.
I personally think that women have all the priesthood power and authority they need to do their work here on earth without being ordained. There are ordinances that require that ordained priesthood power. There are some that don’t, especially in a time of need. Think about the fact that men have to be ordained to enter the temple and women do not. Does that show that women are less?
There are separate but equal jobs that men and women have on earth. At times it may feel like women are considered less than men, but is that really true? Or is it that the men are being protective of women? Some women may think that they don’t want or need protection. Well, deal with it. I think men are pretty much hard wired to act that way toward women in general and especially family. (Something that the Twilight Saga got right with how protective Edward was of Bella.) Women are equally protective of family and the more vulnerable in general and I think pretty much hard wired that way too. The image that comes to my mind is the father/husband outside the home protecting all within and the mother/wife ready to protect all within if needed. Equal but different roles.
So maybe women don’t need protection so much anymore. Women and men generally have equal opportunities in our modern world. Women and men are more equal now than in the past. Perhaps the men have not yet realized just how equal. Women need to learn and understand that men do not see things the same way as women, sometimes they don’t see at all. They do not think the same way as women, sometimes they don’t think. Patience and education is needed for men and women. Men are not mind readers and Heavenly Father isn’t going to tell them because women are very able to speak their own mind and heart.
I personally think there are still good reasons to have times and meetings with just your own gender. Husbands and wives will share what happens in the Relief Society and Priesthood meetings. Home teachers will share with the single sisters. All of the sessions from General Conference are published for all to read.
As stated at the beginning, I have not seen any of this first hand. The women leaders I’ve talked with have not experienced this with one exception. The exception was in dealing with a deaf brother in the ward some 30+ years ago with an older bishop and a sister that was doing the translation. Otherwise the priesthood leaders have asked for and gotten and accepted input from the women leaders in the wards that I’ve been in. There has been a wide range of ages in the priesthood leaders in the various wards that I’ve been in. That should not be taken to mean that I think that it is not happening.
I do not believe women need to be ordained to the priesthood to be heard. They do need priesthood leaders that are open and listen. Women do need to speak up and if a priesthood leader is ignoring them, then work the system. And everyone needs to pray.
My thanks to Nan, Christine, and Tiffany for our conversations that added to this post.
12 February 2015
It was recently announced that the name of the September festival in Forks Washington would be changed to Forever Twilight in Forks from Stephenie Meyer Day. I was and remain somewhat ambivalent about the change. I am writing this as a way to clarify my thoughts on this change.
2015 is the 9th year for the celebration of Twilight and the author, Stephenie Meyer, and the 10th anniversary of the publication of Twilight. This name change is an added controversy surrounding the celebration this year. Does this mean there will be a shift in the focus of the festival?Will we forget who wrote the story that made Forks a spot for fans to visit?
It has been Stephenie Meyer Day for 8 years. In those years, the remaining three (3) books of the Twilight Saga plus other related books have been published and five (5) movies based on the books have been made. Ms Meyer has also published the start of another series of books and started a film production company with one film released, Austenland from Fickle Fish Company.
In interviews that I’ve seen Ms Meyer appears composed but a little uncomfortable with all the attention from her stories. Several people that have had the pleasure of meeting her in person have used humble as an adjective for her. She was apparently not thrilled with the celebration being named for her from the beginning. It is even more understandable with the other series coming out and her production company.
There is tradition to keeping the name the same. People know it as Stephenie Meyer Day. I like tradition. But it can hold you back. Marketing and publicity will need to be done to get the new name out there and recognized by people use to Stephenie Meyer Day.
The new name does focus on her first series of books that take place in Forks. The Host series takes place in Arizona, so maybe this is a good change. But we also want to celebrate the author.
The date around Bella’s birthday was chosen for the celebration in Forks since Ms Meyer was born 24 Dec -- not the best time to visit Forks and not best time to have people leave home and family to come visit and celebrate a book and film series. Maybe with the name change there can be some leeway in the date. Maybe another city could host a celebration of Twilight over a weekend close to Bella’s birthday. Next year 13 Sep will be a Tuesday. One place could have a celebration the weekend before and another place the weekend after. This could be a nice happening. See my previous post on 22 January about dream 10th Anniversary celebration. Maybe happen next year? Dream on AW.
So maybe this new name of Forever Twilight in Forks is a good thing. I don’t like but have gotten use to the federal government combining President Lincoln’s and President Washington’s birthday holidays into one holiday. I figure I’ll eventually get use to the new name and people will forget it was ever anything else.
Vee Elle as Alice Cullen
This is a link to a video diary from Vee Elle as Alice Cullen, episode 1
Christilynn as Bella
Jacqueline as Bree
Cay Percifield as Carlisle Cullen
Alan as Edward
Travis as Emmett
Tori Giles as Esme Cullen
Samantha as Nessie
Brynna as Rosalie
Updated 16 Feb with episode 2 of Alice diary to Bella
The organizers of Forever Twilight in Forks have made arrangements for five (5) members of the Olympic Coven to appear at Forever Twilight in Forks (formerly known as Stephenie Meyer Day). There are fan started fundraising efforts to have three (3) other members and possibly an additional two (2) to attend as well. The five currently scheduled are Edward, Bella, Emmett, Rosalie, and Alice. Next three wanted are Carlise, Esme, and Victoria. The additional two are Nessie and Jacob. The actor portraying Jasper has separated from the OC.
This first link is to an Indiegogo campaign to get the next three to Forks :
This link is for a Teespring campaign, OC crest on front with Forks 2015 on the back :
Added 16 Feb: Win a dance with a Cullen details at
This link is for the Stephenie Meyer Day/ OC designs on Redbubble – Tshirts, prints, cards, etc :
This is the link for the Facebook page for information on SMD/OC :
This is a link to the Facebook page for the Forks Chamber of Commerce open page on Forever Twilight in Forks :
The specific page with the schedule first released in February
The links for the web page of Forks Chamber of Commerce Forever Twilight in Forks schedule
and general announcement :
Updated 16 Feb with Win a dance with a Cullen